c903,
I know what you are saying, there are designs that have been around a long time and work well. My point is though, even these designs were new at one time or another and someone had to be the first to give them a try.

I certainly respect your opinions and everyone should have one. That' s why I like this board so much. What else would we do when we aren' t hunting. Good debates here. Not exactly like sitting around the fire at hunting camp but as close as we can get till the season comes around again.

It will be interesting to see how they do when 5-shot tests them.