thanks for the information...i was a littel unshure about that becasue neithor of my sources seem to go over that really...i have one more question you said for " pointing gene" i should let the birds be flyaways..so i dont shoot the bird correct??? and also should i do retrieving with a frozen bird and flyaways at the same time..meaning like one week live birds the next frozen or should i just concentrate on live then after she masters it go to frozen??