NJ_Bowhntr (1/17/03):
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(6ptsika wrote)
The first states to use AR' s were out West for mule deer and elk in I believe Oregon, or maybe Washington years and years ago.
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You are right here sika, but you either forgot to mention something, or maybe don' t yet know. You see, many, if not all, of those states have since dropped the AR. Most say that they were ineffective, with some states proclaiming antler restrictions were actually detrimental to having mature animals in the herds.
eddie (1/17/03)
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What about the other states that have antler restrictions and have had great results?????? I guess some people only want to talk about the negative.
NJ_Bowhntr (1/19/03):
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No eddie, just trying to balance the discussion here. When is the last time anyone talked about the fact that antler restrictions haven' t worked, and have actually been proven a failure somewhere? They can work, but it' s still a very controversial idea.
6ptsika(1/20/03):
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I don' t believe people talk about it for one reason, it hasn' t happened
If you have information that " proves AR' s have failed" , I' d sure like to see it
NJ_Bowhntr(1/20/03):
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The evidence is there, all you have to do is look. Please don' t be so quick to tell us what you " believe" , but take a few minutes to actually examine the data. As for the Western States I was referring to, I don' t know why they considered it a failure, I was just relating the information from the DNR press releases that said they were discontinuing it. Again, instead of trying to insinuate that this was fabricated, just look it up for yourself.
6ptsika(1/20/03):
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Which state claims they failed, and has data supporting this fact? I' d like to see this, I try to keep an open mind on deer management, and any facts would be appreciated. Up until this point, I haven' t read one shred of fact saying ARs could be detrimental to the deer herd. Not one little fact. You would think with all the people saying it' s a bad practice, and people like Alt are the devil, those same poeple would bringg forth one single shred of evidence supporting their claim. Not so far… I' m asking for just one study, one statistic from a state, anything…I' m not saying it' s easy to do, I' m not even saying it' s possible… I was pointing out there were no " facts" to dispute ARs not working… I' m not expecting you to find any facts NJ
Sika, here is my original statement, and yours and eddies responses that started this off. It' s pretty clear that I did answer your request for
" information that proves AR' s have failed" to " justify my statement" , as you demanded.
Everything that came after that was just your nitpicking at every little aspect of what I typed to justify your denial sika, and somehow convince yourself you' re right.
6ptsika(1/20/03):
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I don' t believe people talk about it for one reason, it hasn' t happened
If you have information that " proves AR' s have failed" , I' d sure like to see it
There it is again, one more time. You asked for it, I provided it, and so did Charles Alsheimer and Deer and Deer Hunting and Ken Mayer, and all the biologists here interviewed for the September 1998 article. Everything you have posted since those first few replies shows without a doubt that you certainly aren' t approaching this with an open mind, but with a serious case of denial.