AR is failing in PA. at producing more buck' s, In the 3-pt to a side area which is the majority of the state, But I knew it the minute I found out what the new AR Guide lines were going to be for my area which is York Co, I knew there was No way that our current AR. would save more than 20% of our 1.5 year old buck' s, But DR. Alt knew this as well but didnt care as long as he got the herd reduction he wanted and needed. And it is also failing at the main reason of why AR. was implemented, and that is to improve the herd in PA. Breeding Ecology, in order to improve a herd' s breeding ecology we need to create at the very least a 3rd age class of bucks and with our watered down version of AR. we only protected 16% of our total buck population ( not including the amount of buck' s that were left to rot in the wood' s or tagged as 5pt' s. instaed of a 3 or 4pt.) with many counties being much less than 16%, so we didnt even create a second age class of bucks. Another negative is that we protected our genticly inferior buck' s and targeted are geneticly gifted 1.5 year old buck' s as well as our 2.5 year old bucks. Now did AR. fail over all? No. it did not, why? because the reason DR. Alt implemented AR. was to use as a golden carrot. remember during DR. Alt' s first year of seminar' s he told us that we didnt need AR. that we could get the buck to do ratio where we need it by just passing on more BB.' s , but even if this happened(which it didnt) any time you try to reduce your herd by 50% the amount of buck' s harvested as antlerless deer is going to increase, Now we harvested 70,000 additional antlerless deer this past year, on average 20-25% of antlerless harvest is made up buck' s so the amount of BB' s and other buck' s harvested due to Herd reduction basicly canceld out every buck that was saved to AR. It was not until his second year of seminar' s that he offered AR. as the golden carrot to win over the heart' s and mind' s of the hunter' s and it worked. DR. Alt doesnt care if AR. last' s as long as he get' s the hunter' s to reduce the herd by 50%. Unfortunaley we have 1 million huner' s in PA. and even with AR. we will harvest 80% of the available buck herd each and every year, so 80% of the 1.5 year old buck' s that are still alive going into next hunting season will be toast. So in order for AR. to work in PA. will need to proctect nearly every 1.5 year old buck and use spread not number of point' s as a guide line. So if you support AR. Like myself, please start pushing for a higher AR. guideline. Pike