Not bad nj, only three months for a reply.

I think we could wrap this up quick if we go all the way back to where I said " So do you have any data, once again, showing where ARs failed to increase the average age of male deer in a certain herd? Or are we going to talk about something else again?"

Looks like we' re on to something else again..

I get D&DH too nj, and nowhere in it does it say AR' s failed to increase the average age of bucks. NOWHERE.
What biologists consider a " failure" could have to do with low populations, poor harvest, lack of hunter participation, lack of " record breakers" , poor fawn survival, etc. I don' t doubt Ar' s would fail to help those situations, as a matter of fact, it may serve to worsen some of them. But in every case cited, the average age of bucks increased.

Did I miss anything in there about the average age of bucks decreasing in areas with Ar' s? What page was that on?

If you want to talk about overall management strategies, I' m sure there are folks here who' ll accomodate ya, but I' ve said over, and over, and over again that I haven' t seen one shred of proof that Ar' s fail to increase the average age of the buck population. Did you get the special issue or something?

As seen in NJ, AR' s in conjunction with half arsed management decisions can ruin a herd, probably because AR' s can only serve to increase the average age class of bucks, nothing more, nothing less.

3 months, 6 months, I don' t think you' ll ever show a case of AR' s failing to increase the average age class of bucks, the ONLY think they are capable of accomplishing.