Haven't heard of either outfit, but just do your homework and check them out thoroughly before doing anything. I have been booking hunts here Colorado for the past 11 years and if people would just do some homework, there wouldn't be near the amount of people getting ripped off out there. If there is anything I can do to help, please feel free to get ahold of me via my website at www.colorado-adventures.com I also have some excellent trophy mule deer hunts on the Eastern Plains of Colorado with tags available, so if you are interested give me a call. Good luck and good hunting!!!!