Hey Deadlyrifle, I meant no disrespect at all. Sorry if it came across that way. I know how it is at the heat of the moment. I didn' t mean to get on an ethical soapbox. I just know that when I started out and made alot of mistakes that my dad and a few others were there to help me. I was just always taught to be sure of your shot before you ever take it. But, I also know that all you ever learned can go right out the window when you get so excited. I remember when I shot my first buck, I watched him fall about 40 yards away. Then I almost fell out of my treestand because my legs were shaking so bad. Then got down and had no idea where the deer was. Anyhow, you will learn as you go. Man I have been bowhunting for about 18 years now and those darn deer teach me lessons every year. I guess that if we ever figured it all out it wouldn' t be fun anymore. Anyhow, to you and the other guys, I am sorry if I came across wrong. Just trying to help out a fellow hunter. Hope the apology is accepted. And Deadlyrifle, i hope that you have as much fun and enjoyment that I have been blessed with out in the woods. Your in for alot of fun!! Oh Yea, alot of frustration also