I might add that the .451 is topped with a Bushnell Elite 3200 2-7x32mm with rainguard andfirefly and that is just an excellent scope. I like my Nikon scopes a lot but this Bushnell is just sweet. Sabotloader and Batchief told me about the Bushnell Elite. It is the first one I have ever used, but if they ever came on sale again, I would purchase a couple more just to have on hand. I like the eye relief, the focus, the clarity is excellent, and being a 32mm does not seem like a disadvantage so far....

Batchief was the one that told me to try the 488 with the Swiss 3f and the wads... he was right on the money.