Regarding losing the shoulder meat.
ORIGINAL: Ridge Runner
I use this shot alot, due to liberal bag limits I'm not that worried about losing both shoulders, its only good for burger anyhow.
RR
Not so fast Ridge! I love cooking the shoulder whole, with blade in. It is a long slow cooking process that will give you the best, most tender stew meat you have ever tasted. I have also used shoulder for burger, but once you try my stewing/braising process you'll be a believer in cooking shoulders whole. Takes a long time but is WORTH it!Oven temp is barely 185 deg and the whole process can take up to 12 hours, depending on shoulder size.