Blackhorn 209 is both the most accurate and the fastest [in terms of bullet velocity that I have ever shoot in a muzzleloader; however that does not mean that it does not require certain things and first and formost is the sabot. Using my Triumph as an example it shoots Crush Ribs good with 777 but to get the best groups with BH209 it requires HPH24. If I can get it to post the picture is the second target I shot with BH it took me one and some thought to figure it out. If some one who could would post it for me on MM fourm I would appriciate it one of the fellows there is haveing a problem with BH and I think it is his sabot fit. Lee