My 835 with a ported XXFull Choke tube, 3 1/2" Winchester Elite #6's Kicks like a mule. I put on a sims recoil pad and that helped a lot. It sure puts a hurt on turkeys as well! It's hard to justify spending close to a thousand bucks when I only shoot 2 or 3 shots a year (if I happen to miss once) for turkeys only. I have a Browning Gold pump in 3 1/2 Mag. that takes care of ducks when I get a chance to go.