RE: tight lipped birds
Try this one also, along with the others given here. Pattern their movements, just like you try to do with a buck. Setup on the route they use after flydown. Call very little to none at all. maybe a couple clucks, and very soft yelps. Wait for them to come your way naturally. If a hen does get talking, match her call for call. Piss off the hen, and bring her in, tommy may follow. If this doesn' t work I' d try the later morning hunt once his hens have left.