Disappointed no more I spent most of Saturday afternoon shooting my new Kick .655 and ended up working a great load. I' ll be taking Winchester Hi Velocity 3" 1 3/4oz #6 into the turkey woods this spring for my 1187. As for as the 870 goes I' ll be using the Winchester Hi Velocity 3.5" 2 1/4oz #6 in the woods for that gun. We had our sight-in day this morning which went great. Had a good turn out and helped a few guys get the best they could out of their guns.