Thanks trailer. I did check out those Leo. mounts/rings and they are pretty cool. Too bad they are $75. MIght still be an option though and they would be cool to have detachable scope for whatever reason.

I' m probably going to buy the Cabela' s Alaskan Guide 30mm scope, 4-12x50. Only $319 with limited lifetime warranty. Figure it' s worth trying them. That does NOT have an AO which I am trying to avoid yet still has the 12x magnification I want for the big open country here in E. Wa. where I hunt. With that combo I will get an exit pupil of 12 on the lowest setting while still a 4x magnification, and still retain a 4 on the max. mag.