yep, what quick said...I have tried to understand why people get so mad about things on this forum and I can't see why. Take it all with a grain of salt, it really is just a place for us to express our opinions. I stated my opinion and I will continue to do it and I will also continue to take heat for it. That's fine with me, I have thick skin, like the giraffe does, I have asense of humor and I rarely get mad or upset or offended. Those of you who have had any serious conversations with me know this about me. But there is one thing that I am not, and that is an elitist nor do I carry the "college boy attitude". Im a freakin school teacher Pete sake! I make less than 40 G's a yr .I went to a public college and I went when I was 24-28 yrs old, not exactly a kid. I went to a black college, talk about humility, I know it well, I was taught and heard things that would make the hair on your neck stand up, I never let it shake from my beliefs and I got a great education from a different point of view and made lots of friends. Far from UVA or W&M!! Im about as college boy as a country boy can getI guess, you should see me at school with all the intelects I teach with....it's a real hoot when Im in the room!