CALIFORNIA andf the next great lead ban . There a dimes worth of poo for "premium" bullet.

I've never shot one ,never needed to . I like patch balls in my hawkens , cast 160s and 180s and 150 spbt hornady's in my 308 and 06' , 255-60 rnfp cast a little to soft in my 45 Colts , 158 swc pick a flavor for 38-357.
You'll be shocked to learn I pass shoot geese with a 2 3/4 12 ga too .

If you look at the board at heart we are all just die hard out doors junkies and a whole bunch of old schoolers trying to get and keep the youngin's in the field even if we might have to admit that under 125 yrds about any .22+center fire rifle (18"+bbl) will kill a deer and about any .35+ pistol will do the same under 50 yrds within reason .I can think of at least 5 or 6 exceptions that are legal for the above uses but are generally obscure and would baffle most wardens .