I'm a pretty safe person but I've never climbed with safety equipment and prolly never will. I guess its cuzI feel safe and comfortable with what I do and I'm not going to injure others with those actions, only myself if an accident were to happen so safety of that nature is strickly individual choice IMO and doesnt bother me one way or another how people utilize or don't useclimbing equipment. I'm not disagreeing with you just stating that safety things like that are personal choice as long as your not taking someone elses life into your own hands. WCL