count your stars...i'll take jakes mingling with longbeards over henned up longbeards any day!!

i know what you mean though..when they are like that it can be hard to get them fired up...i seem to have that problem early in the season like icall2much said...

just saturday i took a JR and thought for sure we had a dead bird...loner on my ridge with 5 or 6 others on the far ridge...figured they had the hens..the one i was close to didnt and would most likely come in on a string...HA! he gobbled the whole way...came within 60yds or so then went to the gobblers!

i really dont know what to do in similar situations...i know its frustrating..like they want nothing to do with a hen call...

just stay patient and persistant...

in your situation....is there any way to get the blind setup in the area they are naturally pitching down to?? if so..get in there...dont make a peep till they hit the ground...when they are on the ground start off soft..if that dont work try getting excited and loud..about the only idea i have...

i still cant bring myself to bowhunting turkeys...kudos to you buddy...i just feel that the odds would be much more against me because of my hunting style...no blinds..no decoys...98% of the time no fields...

could hunt fields..could use blinds and decoys...but this is my hunting style...working active gobblers..i say sitting there and waiting is for deer season...but everyone enjoys something different..still kicking around the idea of taking the bow out and trying my luck sooner or later...who says i CANT do it hunting how i do with a bow!?!?