The frustrating thing for me with turkeys is that with a deer, you seldom know they are around if you don't see them. You may here one crunching the leaves walking behind you or something, but that's about it as far as knowing oneis there an not actually seeing it. With turks, you know they are there from gobbles, and STILL may not see them. Or, you get to watch them strut around just out of range. How often does a big buck just mill around about 10 yards out of range? We had a big bird last year that wouldn't cross a creek, but he gobbled to us for over an hour strutting back and forth on the bank, very frustrating!