you guys bring up some valid pionts some of the ideas are way out in left field, but atleast your not afraid of voicing youropinion and have some suggestions rather than just walking around bitching about it. i just read all 20 pages of this postand i couldnt help but to put my 2 cents inand i have to say that i concerns me for when i get back in pa cause im stationed in Okinawa Japan with the Marine Corps. There is now doubt that the deer numbers are down i here that from everybody i dont think that the pcg is falsifying the numbers at all but i will say no matter what direction the pcg goes thisyear wether people like it or not it is up to the hunters of pa to have to do the right thing no one is making you pull the trigger!!If you belive that people should not shoot does in your area, do your part,then dont shoot the does make the rules stricter for yourself and your camp to preserve hunting if you dont agree with what the pcg is doing. Personally i believe in AR and i would like the state to go to four points aside and fewer doe tags be handed out (mostly for 2g for doe tags) but weather the state goes to four point i do my part along with my hunting party to not shoot but one or two does for the entire camp for the young huntersand we dont shoot nothing less than four points per side. The deer numbers are down but the habitat sucks in most of the north centeral region. It wasstatedearlier in the form that theoriginalplan was to reduce the herd by 5%fouryearsand ibelievewe did that so now its time to move foward tolet the herd comeback at a more evenbuck to doe ratio.