Was out to the range today getting tuned in before spring bear with my 15 year old son who doesn't weigh 80lbs.He wanted to try the Marlin carbine in 45-70 and he had a blast shooting 300 gr HP loads.He has a H+R 20ga he's been shooting since he was 12 or so.With 7/8oz loads it's real user friendly...............Harold The 28ga is an upland sweety as well