Ive got the soil collected for the sample, just need to get to the co-op for the test. My farmer buddy said it was even free. I dont have a good way to get the soil torn up, that is my biggest problem, cant get a tractor to it. I could try to rough it up with my drag harrow, but that dosent do much. I have a yard roller to press the seed in, but without discing the soil I dont think that would do any good.

My buddy said when his partner gets done spraying round-up with his 6-wheeler we could use it to kill the grass. He also said we could probably scrape up enough left over fertilizer at the co-op to do what I need, also free. My friends say Im a tightwad, not sure why...

I dont know if anything would grow if I overseed the dead sod in the fall without tilling the soil first, but seed isnt that expensive. I can frost seed again in the spring.

Thanks for the suggestions, I let you guys know how things turn out however I do it.