I just couldn't get used to the agressiveness of the bow, so hard of a draw and hand shock was unreal. It was a speed bow, had my fill of it. I sold it loaded, sight, quiver, string tamer, qadrest, peep,kisser, stabilizer, wrist slingand a dozen arrows for 800$ I thought that was fair for both of us, he doesn't even have to change the draw length on it, he shot it twice and hit bulls eye, even the anchor points are very close, he is my cousin, we are short....[&o]Keep sending me stories about the Black Ice, good and bad!! Oh, btw Jeff, I don't have the balls to do that!! I like my compound too much and I ain't good enough nor do I have the time to get good enough!!