I was with 4 different kids when they got their first deer, one was my boy. I was calling andwith Len's boy when he got his first turkey. I've been on probably 20 hunts calling for my buddy Chuckwhen he's shot turkeys. Also been sitting with him on probably a dozen deer kills. Usually in the Southern Tier we just flop down beside a tree a lot just to visit and watch in two directions at once.