Wow thanks guys for all the help, I actually had one of the reders PM and tell me the same thing about the g5 oblonging!! I will check out the fletcher!! I shot a bunch and really like shooting with my glass's on amazing to see the pin so clear. As to just shooting with a kisser that is what I did for years but with just a kisser I hold my head funny and can't see past the nose piece of my glass's. The peep makes me hold my head straighter..Thanks again for all the help and man do I love tis 101st!! Walt