Nothing wrong with the winchester line. I owned an X-150 for close to 5 years and i didnt have one lick of trouble with it.

This Apex i bought is only a couple years old so she has many years of service left in her.

I agree with semi, most sales persons dont know jack squat about muzzle loaders. These are the guys that get newbies caught up in the 3 pellet loads.

"Man all you gotta do is put 3 pellets and that 223g powerbelt down the bore and you'll have the most accurate shooting muzzleloader on the range!"

Then the guy goes to the range with his scoped inline and shoots 6" groups and thinks hes doin good because the sales person said he'd get excellent groups.