Not to be off topic JeffB, but my brother' s #1 in 220 Swift was not as accurate as my 77V Swift but the prairie dogs on my relative' s farm sure couldn' t tell. Ruger hasn' t yet made the rifle I want yet[:@] A #1 stainless in 45-70 with a heavy 30 inch octagon barrell and a carlo walnut stock But I' m waiting! If they do, I might hunt deer with a gun just for fun, you know the Quigly thing[] Shoot straight.