JRW got ya Frank. Was that supposed to be one of those zen type questions or did you just miss word it. If a bear shi^%s in the woods and theres nobody around, does it still smell. That one still confuses me. I mean, the bear would still smell it, but do you include the bear. I just dont know. Seems like theres many answers there grashopper. This is all way to deep for homey. Im gonna grab a beer and a lawn chair and set in the yard and watch the grass grow. Way to many deep thinkers here.