i shot a red fox this year at 20-25yds with the federal flight control copper plated #4s....put a hurtin on him thats for sure! i normally shoot hevi shot out of the gun(rem 870 express mag turkey gun..21" barrel and Undertaker hevishot choke tube..) but had a bunch of random turkey loads laying around...they all patterened great from the gun...but the hevi shot had the edge and hits harder..so i figured id use the random lead loads for fox...

you wouldnt believe the pellets that were in that things head...i clobered him HARD. he never twitched. impressed me thats for sure...alot of time 4's are hard to get a good pattern from...

i love the flight control wads too!! i always said if the BBs miss the bird the wad might kill it! i had it going through paper at 25 or 30yds!!

best thing to do is get some different loads and see what your gun patterns best...the aftermarket choke tube made a world of difference in my gun as well...