Thanks MC I learned a lot just by following the forums you referred to. I guess I better do some checking with my gun dealer for some shells. Years ago when I bought my SBE I was kind of shocked at the recoil shooting a 3 1/2 mag. I got it ported and extended the forcing cone which might have been a mistake. True enough I got a gun that shoots much easier but wonder if I sacrificed pattern at the expense of recoil.I have 3 or 4 turkey chokes and have tried several loads some of which were improvements. Does the 4, 5, 7.5 load work well? Seems like it would be a perfect load for most conditions. I always use a 5 shot but would consider switching to a multi load after some pattern work. The nitros are pretty pricey but missing a mature tom is costly to the memory. Thanks for the info MC.