I know I just said that to stir the crap all the hype and ppl. getting so upset about someone saying somthing about them I drove an hour and a half to try them nice bows yes but no better or worse than any hoyt mathews or pse bows I have shot I am not new to archery I been making my own arrows and strings since boy scouts 30 years ago.The way ppl. defend here brand of bow you think they have profit sharing in the company well I guess it is no different than mopar gm or ford