Gr8, I never intended to be your voice. Sir, I may not be 40, but Im not that far off either. I don't remember how Iwas your " Voice" tell me how. Jeff, you are seeing where Im coming from about the connection to the weapon, it's not the challenge you are searching for, it's the connection to weapon that makes it feel right. I know you believe that deer hunting is a challenge any type. Gr8, did I ever insuate we were on the same page about hunting??