Jeff, I spoke my "peace" maybe Im wrong, but when you say you need to add challenge to bowhunting only after 3 yrs, it does sound like you are bored with it. Im not going to take this any further, there is no point, I still say you need to listen more and be humbleand you may find that people will not disagree with you so much. I agree with a lot of what you say, and you know that b/c Im the first to say it, and I know you don't agree with much of what I say, but I learned a few things from you on the tech side, yet, somehow, I thinkyou couldlearn something from me and many otherson the hunting side of this tradtion if you were listen. Remember Jeff, guys like myself, Jim. Dan, Schultzy, can remember when deer were not so numerous, and when I was young and beginning I grabbed on to advice from the old guys and soaked it up. We have seen it when herds were much smaller 15-20 yrs ago, and yes, it far worse than that 40 yrs ago. So , for some of the older guys on here to read your post about adding a challenge to your hunting only after 3 yrs is somewhat arrogant to them. Choose to hunt in different ways all you want, noone will bash that, just don't say that you need more of a challenge b/c it sounds like you feel you have mastered something, I m just telling you how it may sound.