I don't take anything to heart on here by anyone, Jeff and many others know that about me. Im simplystating that yes hunting is personal, but it seems to me that many people get into hunting, especially deer hunting and bowhunting inparticular and want instant success or overnight status of being a guru or a mature buck hunter only and if it doesn't concern that, then it's not worthy of discussing. I just feel like we are getting away from our tradition has hunters and creating a facade of what people may want to see. I mean we are selling buck sperm now, we are growing deer ranches, we are paying big $ for trophy hunts just so our egos and our status can grow overnight. Deer hunting in general shouldn't be a challenge, if you want challenge or stimulation I suggest you try to read WEB DuBois's "Souls of Black Folk" that willcertainly challenge you or stimulate your synapse.