Magic...good to see you...not sure man...When the beard is hangin long I let it fly....when the bird is on the ground you will usually end up with 8-12 inches of beard....spurs from 1 - 1/4 inch, and 20 - 27 pounds???

You'll know when you got a jake in front of you and you'll know when the bird is pushing 12 inches...its in the blood....