I have killed a few nice 8's in PA and one decent 8 here in Ohio. And for the record Rory my favourite hunt of all time I shot a doe that jumoped up while walking out with my dad and grandpa. Haha. and I'm glad he was raised to take trophy animals and defines his succes by that. I have learned that the real succes is the time I get to spend with family. They won't be around forever and I could care less if I shoot one or not. I love spending the time doing it.