RE: without the rut...
You have to remember also that "just plain ole deer hunting in the middle of October" is still apart of the rut. Granted the deer are not chasing up and down the country side in broad daylight like teenagers on prom night, but their primary focus is on does. If you really do mean the middle of October then many does are bred during that time, making the bucks almost as ceceptible as they would be during the chase phase.