I have 2 brothers. The one w/ the Hoyt didn' t know about it until after I bought it. He lives quite farther away from rest of the family. I don' t plan on using the 2117' s, probably give them away to a friend of mine who shoots that size arrow. The bow was cranked down pretty far though, limb bolts were showing by good 1/2" anyways, claims its around 50-55lbs. I also did some older Hoyt bow searches online. It appears by the limb pockets its a 2001. The limb pockets on the 2000 model appear different than these are. These are just like the ones that are used on the Hoyt' s now. It definitly came w/ the factory package, see now even the stabilizer is one the factory uses. Not that the factory package is anything great. But gives me idea what it was new. I' ll be contacting my local Hoyt dealer for cam options on it. Thanks guys!