You've misread all my posts. I dont strap an ecollar around the belly... And yes I havetested the ecollars on myself. I dont allow my dogs to creep once they are on point, if they are getting birdy, I tell them to be careful so that they dont bust the birds too early. I dont allow them to break on point from wing to shot or to fall. That means from the time the birds take off, the time they are shot, and the time it takes for them to fall. Then dogs are released.

As for selling tips, this is a forum board... Its a gathering for people to ask questions and get tips and help. Not an ad page for dog trainers...

The title of the thread is thoughts on training. Why does he have to contact you privately for "help"? Its a discussion board, post your thoughts on training, since you have many, on this board.