eodlt all you are doing is teaching that dog that it is ok to creep until he is told to whoa, not good. Once he locks on point he should not be moving foward until told to do so and also by the way an e-collar to enforce the whao command around the belly is a little bit harsh. Have you ever tried it on yourself, if not you should and you will understand why you don't put it there unless you have to. try flanking the dog with a checkcord, if he is still doing it use a smaller(thinner)rope. I don't sell my training tricks I only charge if I do the work. So its not a price I am looking for just tricks that is not for the general public to know.