Ya, thank God those lightspeeds are tough arrows. Matt, I am still making the switch, its just gonna take some time. The funny thing is I went to Rob's, to get a shipping box for my Commander and I shoot Tim's bow and um grabbed beer, then we are tearing bows down, and i get home.....yep no box. Wish I could have been there for the King's exile Tim, it was a personal goal of mine to be the first to beat him on his home court, but thats not possible now buddy....good job!!