LOL - You guys crack me up. I just gave away a bow that would IBO in the 3-teens. My buddy has an old BlackMax collecting dust in his basement that will do 325+ all day long. IfI getbored with the Mathews, I know where there's a gently used Black Knight that will top 330 IBO legal. It's IBO rated at 350, for whatever that's worth. So you could probably squeeze a little more out of it.

New? Ha. Hardly.

Remember the old G-Force lineup from PSE? Slap a new camo patternon there - change up the limbs a little bit, rework the riser - and you've got an X-Force. Woohoo.

Using our own GregH as an example: dude was getting 320 out of his old High Country Max Force - and I think that bow is 10 years old. Maybe 12. LOLI think he might've even been using underspined aluminum arrows.

Like I said: you can build more durablelimbs, you can make better strings, you can quiet it down, you can lighten it up, you can coat it with prettier camo- but you can't change the fact that we will always be restrained by our own strength limitations and power strokes.

And at the end of the day, it's a game of draw length, arrow weight, draw curve and brace height. Just like always.

The future of purespeed in archery is in the arrow. It always has been.

If you think things have really changed all that much, since the advent of the binary (and solo) cam systems around 1990- you're only fooling yourself. You figure, the average top-end bow has gained what? 15 fps? maybe? in 10 years?


Seriously - huntingson just walked into an archery shop with a 10-year-old one-cammer (from a company that everybody ridicules for being "slow", no less), and it shot right in the same ballpark as the current market leaders. I mean, the truth is right there. I'm sure the guy isn't just making it all up. Sure, Huntingson and I have had our arguments, but I know he's no liar.


...and Greg - I didn't call anyone a name. I know he's your friend, but Dan is a big boy - and he can fight his own fights.

Dan - to answer your smugquestions: I've been shooting compoundbow for 17 years, since '90 or '91. And if I had a 31" draw - with my current setup - I could build an arrow (with broadhead) thatshoots over 400 feet per second TODAY. With repeatable results.