Thank you for your help, I also told him that it could be his arrows werent stiff enough. 1 bow is 60 lb 1 is 55 and one is 45 lbs. I bet he is chokeing the heck out of his bow. he doesnt use a wrist sling so maybe that would help, its not like he has never shot recurve but he is just getting back into it after many years with mainly his compound. Thanks again.