I had a Taurus The Judge and was not real happy with it once I had a chance to shoot enough through it. The 410 was useless on birds, I shot at a flock of Quail not more than 10 yards away and not a one of them where phased by it, even after 3 shots of #4. The 45LC through it was very inaccurate as well, even with different handloads. About an 8-10 inch group at 25 yards. Mine was with the longer barrel as well, cannot remember exact length, but it was at least 6 inches. I was hoping that the gun would work out as a good short range bear, deer, grouse gun when getting firewood during those seasons. But after spending some considerable time with the gun I found out that it has many good features, but it just isnt really any good at any of them. [&:] Luckily they gave me nearly what I paid for the gun on trade in towards the 308 Savage 99 that I picked up a couple of months ago.