Okay; first off S1 did not make the comment about the "gut shot" I did. I do not advocate this, I was refering tofeed back from hunters that have used our ammo. They mention making a "gut shot" to avoid meat loss from use of our ammo.
I never said S1 made that comment. And what I said still holds true. Shooting an animal in the gut is a very dumb idea. Regardless of whos idea it is.
To address the bone issue. The round requires hydraulic pressure ie "body fluid" to open and disperse in the wound cavity. Until body fluids are introduced via the hollow point in the round the round keeps on trucking. When the round impacts an object more dense that the core of the round itself ie stone, steel, etc. it does "disentegrate" on impact leaving just some copper jacketing and very little of that.
THAT is the answer I was looking for. No cock and bull stories. I wanted to know how it seemed to defy known physics.
I'm not saying it does, just that it isn't straight forward.
The powder that makes up the core is so fine (320 micron mesh) it is actually finer than a ladies face powder, there is a negligible amount that would be ingested from meat harvested with this round.
I am not 100% convinced I am OK with "negligible". No offence, but you are a bullet maker, not a doctor. It may indeed be 100% safe to ingest, but I need some science on this before I consume any possible heavy metal.
Yes, there are discrepencies in the article "Building a Better Bullet". We were not priveledged with the opportunity to review the article before publication, but by and large the article does a very good job of describing the technology behind and the results of use of this ammo. Which is why it is on our web site.
Your business, your decision. But there is NO WAY I would put that on my website. It makes your company look dumb. Plain and simple. I would be hesitant buying anything that expensive from you after reading that. You need informative material, and some proof to back it up. Balistics gel isn't that expensive, and is easy enough to use. Heck, I have even managed to use it to test various loads. And I am just a poor married guy.
The web site has been slow in getting fully published, this happens when working with someone who has too many irons in the fire and is not charging you anything. The new website should be up in the next week or so. We are not "hiding" anything or putting a load of BS out there.
I would consider finding a new guy. I wasn't trying to imply that you were hiding anything. It just seems odd that a company on the web would not have something up and running by now. Look at it from the perspective of the potential customer.
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My comment was directed at the statement of making gut shots. And it still holds true, wonder boy.
You came here with a giant chip on your shoulder. I asked for an answer to the bone question, not some cock and bull story. Which is what you put out there. This is what your "answer" was.
I addressed the shoulder bone issue specifically on page 2 of this thread,
"If you have not shot both technologies, compared them side by side, then you should not be talking smack about something you know absolutely nothing about. The 200 grain PT 30 caliber bores a 1/2 inch diameter hole in the shoulder of an Elk, liquifies the lungs, 1/2 of the heart, and the top 1/3 of the liver. Not to mention the animal drops to the ground like a puppet with the strings cut. "
I addressed it again on page 4,
"There is no truth to the statement that these bullets are designed to 'disintegrate on impact'. Tungsten is much harder than lead, and about 25 percent denser than lead in our core's format. Even the lightest compressed cores that I have tested easily penetrate the front shoulder bone of the largest North American Big Game. I specifically look for a quartering towards me shot opportunity so I can blow bone fragments into the lung area when using this bullet technology."
That is a lame answer. I want to know WHY it goes through bone and then fragments in the lungs/heart. I'm not going to take your word as gospel. I'm sorry, I'm not a blind sheep.
sharpone2- Thanks for trying to clear the air. I will not be trying any of your ammo though. We are a shotgun only state. I also would likely NOT do business with your company based on the actions of S1. There are too many bullet makers out there who are good people to deal with. I might have been interested in your handgun rounds, but I tend to deal with stand up individuals. And S1 is anything but that. At least he hasn't been here. And I have a feeling that we saw his true colors in this thread. But none the less, I hope nothing but the best for you and your company. It is a tough market. Good luck.
I am done with this mess of a thread.