statjunk - You would not know intelligence if it steamrolled you. Your signature line says it all about you.......

"I have come to understand that I really enjoy learning things the hard way."


briman - Too many drugs and cartoons can be a bad combination. Sober up and seek professional help.


What you really have here is a bunch of egotists with absolutely zero experience or first hand knowledge trying to BS their way through a subject they know absolutely nothing about. What they should do is just shut up and learn, but their egos won't let them. Instead they falsely pontificate, make disparaging remarks, offer BS conjecture, or just outright lie. Here are just a few examples:


longrifle1000 - from page 1 - "The world is full of idiots, and this statement just proves it."

legion - from page 1 - "I didn't understand how a bullet that is less dense than lead and disintegrates on impact would be better for hunting or self-defense."
The truth is, the bullets are much denser than lead and don't disintegrate on impact.

jonnybravoo77 - from page 1 - "I beleive if you hit a bone directly; it would just splash. This would leave the deer with a broken leg, a gaping wound, and you would never find the deer."
The truth is, these bullets will easily penetrate the shoulder bone of moose, elk, and bear. I know because the animals are hanging on my wall. A deer shoulder is nothing compared to these larger animals with much tougher bone. I have killed countless deer with these bullets, and found everyone of them dead within 7 feet of where they were shot, most fell in their own tracks.

swampcollie - from page 2 - "I'm with you longrifle, I'd bet money it would splash on bone... heck its designed to splash."
Another sudo bet lost, and how would he know what the bullet was designed to do? More BS conjecture from someone who has zero idea and zero experience, just more disinformation.

swampcollie - from page 2 - "the rock salt/seasoning duck shot was a better idea than this."
More lies. These bullets are not an idea, they are products that work, and have been very successful for over a decade. More BS from someone who has no clue.

doedumper - from page 2 - "Yet another gimmick comes down the pipe"
How would this BS artist know if they were a gimmick? He has never ever shot one of these bullets. More BS from someone who has zero knowledge and zero first hand experience. I have over 100 one shot kills with bullets he thinks are a gimmick. If they are such a 'gimmick' why does he not put on a chest plate and vest and prove they are a gimmick? The dead elk on my wall don't think they are a gimmick. As a matter of fact the dead animals on my wall don't think at all. In this, they have much in common with doedumper.

oldsmellhound - from page 2 - " Might be great on varmits, but on medium-large game all I can see is a recipie for disaster..."
All this guy can see is his own fabricated BS. More BS and fear mongering thrown in for good measure. Not an ounce of truth in his irresponsible and false statement. Last I checked moose, elk, and Grizzly were not classified as "VARMINTS".



jonnybravoo77 - from page 2 - "Thesepeople have been playin in the bullsh*t for so long, I think they like the smell."
More disparaging BS from someone with zero first hand knowledge, and not even the slightest clue about what happens in the real world when a big game animal is killed with one shot by a DRT bullet.

doedumper - from page 3 - "Nothing like making a bad hit or a direct heavy bone hit and leaving a festering wound that will kill the animal....3 days later! Hell yeah...now we dont even have to gut them quarter them or nothing and the buzzards will be forever grateful!!
More histrionic crap from a liar that has never killed one animal with this technology. I have killed hundreds of animals with lead, and hundreds with tungsten. None of them took 3 days to die from a festering wound. The animals I have shot with tungsten die quicker than the ones shot with lead, and they don't run. I have found every single animal dead within a few minutes if not sooner. Once again real life experience shows this histrionic dribble of doedumper to be exactly what it is, more BS from someone who has no clue, or real world experience with the products he is spreading histrionic misinformation about.


As anyone can see every single disparaging remark about this technology and the people who have used it, was made by irresponsible types that collectively have not tested or fired one single bullet of this technology. Lies, misinformation and fear mongoring do not trump real world experience, and it NEVER WILL.

The lack of morality of people that spread this type of misinformation, and disparage the work of great men like Harold Beal, and Marty Fackler, some of the best ever in the ballistics world is shameful and disgusting. These cowards hide behind their keyboards and pretend to be experts, at the expense of the real experts like Marty Fackler and Harold Beal.

So show us you cowards, how many bullets have you designed and manufactured? How many core materials have you tested? How many hundreds of thousands of live rounds have you fired on return to battery guns? How many live tissue tests have you conducted? Please show your data and results, prove your expertise, show us the product you have designed that work so well.

Show us your products and expertise and tests, or shut the hell up.