Okay; first off S1 did not make the comment about the "gut shot" I did. I do not advocate this, I was refering tofeed back from hunters that have used our ammo. They mention making a "gut shot" to avoid meat loss from use of our ammo. To address the bone issue. The round requires hydraulic pressure ie "body fluid" to open and disperse in the wound cavity. Until body fluids are introduced via the hollow point in the round the round keeps on trucking. When the round impacts an object more dense that the core of the round itself ie stone, steel, etc. it does "disentegrate" on impact leaving just some copper jacketing and very little of that. The powder that makes up the core is so fine (320 micron mesh) it is actually finer than a ladies face powder, there is a negligible amount that would be ingested from meat harvested with this round. Yes, there are discrepencies in the article "Building a Better Bullet". We were not priveledged with the opportunity to review the article before publication, but by and large the article does a very good job of describing the technology behind and the results of use of this ammo. Which is why it is on our web site. Yes, the ammo has been in use by DefGru since the mid '90s. It cannot be approved for use by the frontline troops due to the Hague convention and the fact that it is a hollow point. Dr. Martin Fackler did in fact work on the Terminal ballistics of this round. Anyone who wishes to contact me off list, I will be glad to provide them with a picture of a soap block that Dr. Fackler shot with one of our 79 grain .223s showing the resulting wound cavity. The web site has been slow in getting fully published, this happens when working with someone who has too many irons in the fire and is not charging you anything. The new website should be up in the next week or so. We are not "hiding" anything or putting a load of BS out there. The gentleman who claims to have seen us at a Gun show, I would like to know where this was, as the only "Shows we have been involved in are the Arkansas Tactical Officers Conference, SWAT Roundup International, and Safari Club International Convention in Reno back in January, with the exception of a live fire demo for the American Sniper Association and Crosshairs.org in New Hampshire back in November. I'm not saying that he didn't see something like ours, but I do not know of any Gun Shows that we have been involved in. We have several hunters in Africa right now using our 300 WinMag on Plains Game. Yes, in the one testimonial on the web site the Deer did wander about 20 yards from where it was shot, and it was shot with a 79 grain not an 87 grain .223. The .223 is legal in South Carolina and he wished to try it, he said in his testimonial he would prefer using the heavier 87 grain in the future. The 79 grain .223 will work as an excellent Deer round but is on the small side for this application, thus the Deer wandering a short distance from point of shot. The 79 grain leaves a wound cavity slightly smaller than a football in size.