Thanks bloodcreek. I just got back from shooting from the new 18 ft ladder stand we got. I decided to wait until we got that up to really dial in my bow. I found myself a little shaky at first, always like this when I have not been in a tree for a while. well I took about 6 shots at 20 yds and was within 2" of the buulls eye everytime. Then I relaxed made some adjustments and hit bulls eye the next shot. I shot a few times at the block and hit pretty well, I tried to focus and look at the target like yall said and shoot, it worked. Im not saying it's perfect, but Im ok with it today. I then turned the block to the deer vitals and at 10, 15, 20 yds was grouping very well. I wanted to stay at short distances for a while to build up my confidence. I rarely shoot over 25 yds anyhow, so after I shoot a little more I will back up some... baby steps for me, baby steps.... I don't know why, but Im not good ar shooting dots, always better at deer vitals, is that strange???