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Old 03-10-2008 | 01:10 PM
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ORIGINAL: LBR

I actually have read this entire thread(haven't figured out why yet) so I'm not sure what exactly your trying to imply.
I assumed you hadn't because you seemed to be directing questions at me that I'd already covered.

Because archery season was establishedyears ago that means the seasons can't evolve tofit what hunting is now?And does it also meanthat anyone whowants evensmall changesis "riding coattails" and should just get their own season. Right, that makes perfect sense we should approach all thing in life with those blinders on.
It is what it is. Archery season--bows and arrows. That's what it was established for.

Archery season is primative weapons season, there is no difference.
I'm just not sure how to take that statement. I don't think anyone even remotely familiar with the weapons are ignorant enough to actually believe there is no difference between bows, crossbows,muzzleloaders, and in some places certain caliber single-shot centerfire rifles--all considered "primitive" weapons.

So why should2 of the three primative weapons(bows/bp) have their own part of the whole primative seasonand thethird(xbows) has nothing and not only nothing butoppositionagainst beingincluded in the archery part of theprimitive weapons season that already exists and that it fits in(since it is a bow+).
You are just wrong there, at least concerning MS (where I live). Crossbows can be used during primitive weapons season and rifle season. We (archery hunters) lost two weeks of our season to primitive weapons season a few years ago. What we have left, most hunters don't care to get out in to begin with (already went over all that also). So just what are we taking again? How are we being selfish?

How does it effect you negativelyas a bow hunter ifcrossbow hunters are in the woods? Go ahead and tell me this has already been covered, I readit and the reasoning is shallow at best and just plain greedy at worst.
Maybe you read it--you sure don't bother to try to comprehend or understand it.

LBR trust me I get it.
It's very obvious you don't, and I don't think you care to. You say you've read the entire thread, but obviously you ignored parts of it. I've stated several times I have nothing against the weapons themselves, or the people that use them, yet you state just the opposite. Pretty sure I know my feelings better than you do.

At the risk of dragging out a ridiculously long thread even more, here's how I see it.

There's a very few die-hard crossbow enthusiasts who enjoy the weapon for the spirit of the weapon--like Wyvern and Art, who have gone as far as building true primitive replicas of the weapons. I can respect that, but they are a tiny fraction of a fraction of the minority, and even though that is the type hunter that could get a season established for them, there's not anywhere near enough of them to get anything done. Life ain't fair. They can at least use their weapon of choice in primitive weapons season, and in at least some states during gun season.

You have another small fraction, although much larger than the above still small, of disabled and elderly hunters who honestly cannot physically shoot a bow. Most states (including MS) have provisions for those people and allow them to use crossbows during archery season. I can live with that.

The majority of what's left are people who don't want to bother learning to shoot a bow and/or think the crossbow is a magical weapon far superior to a bow (it's not), but want to extend their hunting season beyond rifle and primitiveweaponsseasons. They don't care to work for getting their own season established, so the only thing left is to try to barge in on the short period of time that only bows are allowed in the hunting woods.

We have the shortest amount of time allotted for specific weapons seasons, and we generally have the least desireable time of the season (at least we do in MS). Yet because we want to keep the season what it is, and what it was fought for and established for, we are just shallow,greedy and selfish? Give me a break.......

Hey, your granddad worked his butt off all his life, made sacrifices, and thanks to him your father and now youare able to live a comfortable life. The next guy comes along, his granddad didn't do the work and make the sacrifices, neither did his dad, and now he isn't willing to either--but he wants you to give him an equal part of what's yours. Are you going to split what you have with him right down the middle just because he wants it? Or are you one of those shallow, greedy, selfish types?

Chad
My comprehension is fine and fortunatleyI am able to seewe are talking from not only different opinions but different kinds of exposure to the same topic. There is no need totalk "at" me or down to me Ias I'm sure you know opinionsare just that, opinions,they arerarely a 100% right or 100% wrong, there is usually some middle ground of understanding the other side/perspective(doesn't mean you have toagree).You are entitled to yours and I'm entitled to mine and I am not trying to convince you to change yours, I'm just offering a different perspective from a different region with a different history. I'm not sure how you can sayyou have no problem with xbows or xbow hunters andin the same breathsay I don't want themhunting in bow season, that seemslike a contradiction. Where I will say I am ignorant is to your(MS) game laws and when I am speaking I am not speaking about MS I am speaking from my perspective (VA) which has enjoyedpositive results with xbows in archery season. What may be "completely wrong" for you or your state is right in my state and what I am used to.

Of course the weapons used in the primitive weapons season are different(our two states recognize them completely differentlyVA doesn't even use that term anymore), what I meant was they are all still primitive weapons and I don't understand the need for all of the seperation. Between archery & bp I canunderstand but why bows & x bows, again I am looking at this from an area where xbows were simply added to bow season and it worked out very well.Based on whatyou said you lost two weeks of bowhunting to primitive weapons season which I agree would suck, and after looking at the site(MSWFP) I see where you can xbow hunt during gun and bp season(or primitive) I guess I just don't see what difference it would make if they had made it legal duringgun and archery, but again that is because I am from a state that did it that way and it worked,also we can use our bows during all seasons(even bp)if we follow that seasons harvest regs.

Was your archery season from Oct. 1 (or15 Zone 2) through Nov.16 andcan you still bowhunt during the firearms season or primitive seasons? That seems like a fairly long bow season(4-6 weeks), is that "the least desireable" time to be out there? What two weeks went away, wasthe late primitive weapons seasona late bow season in the past or was it the early one? I am just curious andattempting to be a little lessignorant of your state byasking.

I do think if you experienced VA's changes and transitions you would have a better idea of my side and my point that crossbows had little impact just like if I lived there I might feel differently. I know many hunters are not selfish/greedy but I have met many who are and haveheard many(in my state) who opposed xbows but had no real reason other than they don't want them in "their" bow season and just hated x bows for whatever reason, and then aftercrossbows werelegalized and nothing really changedit just seemed likemuch ado about nothing. In my mind it is Ok for someone to just prefer to shoot a xbow if they want just like I might prefer a compound or my recurve, I don't consider myself more of a "bow hunter" because of the particular weapon in hand and especially after seeing the results here in VAI don't care what someoneprefers to huntwith as long as they are safe, legal, and enjoying themselves.

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ORIGINAL: LBR
At the risk of dragging out a ridiculously long thread even more, here's how I see it.
was interesting, I guess. Quote us your sources on those stats.

ORIGINAL: LBR
We have the shortest amount of time allotted for specific weapons seasons, and we generally have the least desireable time of the season (at least we do in MS). Yet because we want to keep the season what it is, and what it was fought for and established for, we are just shallow,greedy and selfish? Give me a break.......
Are these your season dates from last year?




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SEASON DATES
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Archery

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Nov. 16, 2007
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Youth Gun
(Youth less than 16 years old)


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[align=center][align=center]Nov. 10, 2007-
Nov. 16, 2007
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Either-Sex on private lands and authorized state or federal public lands.

Gun
(with dogs)

[align=center][align=center]Nov. 17, 2007-
Nov. 30, 2007
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Primitive Weapon
[align=center][align=center]Dec. 1, 2007-
Dec. 14, 2007
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Gun
(without dogs)

[align=center]Dec. 15, 2007-
Dec. 16, 2007
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Either-Sex on private and open public lands.

[align=center][align=center]Dec. 17, 2007-
Dec. 23, 2007
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Gun
(with dogs)

[align=center][align=center]Dec. 24, 2007-
Jan. 17, 2008
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Primitive Weapon
[align=center][align=center]Jan. 18, 2008-
Jan. 31, 2008
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Archery season seems pretty long, am I looking atthe right info?
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