That is a battle you absolutely can not win, so why bother?
We can and have stopped xbows.... We can win that battle.. Sure, maybe there isn't much difference between a tricked out compound and an xbow, but I still percieve the xbow as an easier weapon to use and we HAVE to draw the line somewhere..
Double Creek that sounds aweful like you've drawn the line, compounds aint included but you don't want to pee in anyone Cheerios
But you can still keep the challenge alive while shooting a compound....
like I posted earlier, your hunt wouldn't change hardly any with a crossbow vs a compound and you'd miss opportunities with both that you wouldn't with the other. I really believe that too - but trad bows launch you into a totally different type of hunting.
question Double Creek - a recurve with peep, sights and mechanical release ....... same thing as a compound then for the most part ?
Do you use a recurve because it is easier than a longbow?
I have both, but right now I'm shooting the recurve just because. I shoot the old style Adcock pretty well too. Neither is easier, LBR could pick either one of them up and in a few shots shoot them pretty well I imagine, Double Creek too.
Fact is
you don't know the answer, you just know your answers and think they are everyone's answers 
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doesn't everybody kinda do that ? but in this game, I'm not a young guy in his first year or two or archery. I've been there and done a LOT of that. I've killed my share of animals, hunted a lot of states, and done it with rifle, muzzleloader, compound recurve and longbows. I'm saying that as a basis of yes, I in fact DO know quite a bit about it all.
it is more a desire to achieve a different hunting aesthetic, to try and hunt in a way more in tune with the prey and the surrounding forest. But, based on what you have said, that isn't why you bowhunt, is it?
I think in fact I've said that and MORE. The hunt is why I'm in the woods, the killing ? If it happens it happens, but my hunting will be 100% successful and I will have a grand time doing it.
If you need to boost your self-esteem by thinking thatthe manner in whichyou hunt is more difficult and therefore makes you a "better hunter" than others, that's fine
ahhh thats the kicker though ... it IS more difficult, and thus the whole reason that archery season was spawned in the first place, forged decades ago by dedicate recurve and longbow shooters.
they GOT you the season you're in now, and compounds weren't a part of that club. Rule were changed to allow them.
brucelanthier I do not sugar coat things. I don't ***** foot around and watch stepping on toes. Its the internet, I mean geeeeeeesh, we're having a friendly debate, talking, making a few jabs etc but in truth at its core, we ARE talking about a very important issue, one thats been around for a long time and seems to never go away.
I KNOW the guy who makes his own bows and arrows and trade points is a more dedicated bowhunter than me. I know that, its 100% FACT. Its why very few do. I also know trad bowhunting is very much harder than compound shooting, thats why most shoot compounds, its EASIER. Duh, thats human nature, and its what our society has devleoped into - the easier the better. Rifle hunting is easier still.
That aint debateable, its fact, proven by looking at kill stats, who uses what and the record books, who's killing the most big animals etc.
What gets people is being lumped into the groups thats above others, and being told they hunt "easier". People don't like to hear that, as true as it is.
NEW61375 Arkansas has 5 monhts of bowhunting including crossbows. We don't need a special season for them, for compound for recurves or for longbows.
LBR
Adding a weapon to a season is totally different than having a separate season addedfor a particular type weapon
crossbows aint differnt really, and thats where you and I don't see eye to eye.
The fastest, quiestes, most accurate bows in the Arkansas woods every fall aint crossbows LBR and we allow them. Its compounds. THEY are the most superior weapon in the woods, thats why people choose to shoot them.
Realizing that, and using your logic, compounds would be the more advanced, technolgoical weapon and they need THEIR OWN season.
But we manage to handle it well, as do all states that allow crossbows. Come to find it, it doesn't bring any negatives at all.
IMO, it's a bow-plus
Chad what is this thing ? A bow-plus too I imagine ?
I mean geeeeesh, you consider the above a bow ? Its not hand drawn, you don't have to draw it in the presence of game, its very likely 85% letoff or more, sights, triggers ....... THATS a bow ?
I do understand your argument. I also understand its based on a sliver of difference between how a crossbow and a compound works, its P&Y's staple argument, but in truth, where allowed, crossbows have never been the demon they've been made out to be in FACT compounds brought in millions more than crossbows ever did, more accidents, more questionable characters using them and more "be a two season hunter" kind of guys.
Sorry compounders, its the truth.
LBR - If its TRUELY all about drawing the bow, then you HAVE to be against the compound bow-pluses because they breach what drawing a bow is all about, the triggers and the high let offs. Remember, you still have to draw a crossbow too, they don't self draw
Early archery pioneers worked hard to get an ARCHERY season established, for simple bows and arrows. Others have come along and chipped away at it, riding coattails and not working for their own season. I don't understand the "sense of entitlement" either--it's coming from those who haven't had anyone work to get a season established, but rather just try to get added into a season someone else worked to get for a different weapon.
hell yeah ! ban the compounds !
FYI crossbows were here thousand years before compounds FYI
I will also work to keep the archery season just that--archery season.
hell yeah ! ban the compounds !
Archery season--bows and arrows. That's what it was established for.
no, it was originally established for recurves and longbows, NOT compounds
We (archery hunters) lost two weeks of our season to primitive weapons season a few years ago
can you hunt in muzzleloader season with your trad bow ?
. They can be used during the archery season with a valid permit.
legal archery weapon in MN too then - glad thats been defined !
NEW61375 and here's the kicker - NEVER not ONCE has crossbows being legal led to a negative. Never. Anti-crossbow people will argue until they're blue in the face, and they cannot produce one fact to use to say crossbows can't come in. Not one. That lack of fact is why I lean toawrds allowing all bows until the point comes (if it ever does) of HAVING to do something simply because of too many animals being killed or maybe too manyhunters.
Never has that happened though